Clearance with an Odd Intersection

So if you "accept" a clearance and then figure out you don't like it, what happens when you try and change it? Does, in real life, ATC refuse your request to change or do they really insist that you, for example, climb into known icing conditions in your uncertified airplane?

Sometimes, and sometimes.

In general ATC works with the pilot, especially if the pilot isn't being
a hardnose. I've re-negotiated clearances and gotten what I wanted -
for example not to fly out over the sea. Sometimes I haven't gotten
what I =wanted= (direct JFK direct CMK) but gotten something I could
work with (roundabout via Sparta). And sometimes I've just been stuck
(freezing layer 6000, filed 4000, MEA 3000, but the only clearance we'll
get in the NY area is climb maintain 7000, negotiate in the air. It was
a broken layer and I ended up taking the clearance after an hour of back
and forth on the ground where ATC would not budge. I dodged the ice up
to 7000, then got into cloud and ATC would not give me lower. They were
willing to climb me to 9000 where I was on top.

I guess that counts as ATC helping to fix something (I got 9000 and
clear of clouds) but, while the airspace is crowded in the NYC area, I
should be able to get a 4000 enroute altitude in a non-deiced cherokee.

Jose
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Yes, but to enter the intersection into your flight plan on your GPS,
you must first know how it is spelled. If you are not familiar with the
area you are flying in and the controller speaks the name of an
intersection, you may not know where to look on the chart to see how it
is spelled.

Charlie Derk wrote:
Typically, if you file your IFR flight plan with /G, I think ATC assumes
that its an IFR Certified GPS and that the intersection is in the
database. I've gotten something like this before, but it was enroute
and ATC asked me if I could identify the intersection. After I
acknowledged that I could, ATC told me "Direct to" that intersection.

The recommended procedure if you don't know how to spell the identifier
is to respond with "Say Identifier". If it will take awhile to program
the intersection into the GPS, you could also ask for a heading.

jsmith wrote:
Yes, but to enter the intersection into your flight plan on your GPS,

you must first know how it is spelled. If you are not familiar with
the
area you are flying in and the controller speaks the name of an
intersection, you may not know where to look on the chart to see how
it
is spelled.

Charlie Derk wrote:
Typically, if you file your IFR flight plan with /G, I think ATC
assumes
that its an IFR Certified GPS and that the intersection is in the
database. I've gotten something like this before, but it was
enroute
and ATC asked me if I could identify the intersection. After I
acknowledged that I could, ATC told me "Direct to" that
intersection.