If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
|
#1
|
|||
|
|||
peculiar approach chart
I stumbled on this chart while preparing for an upcoming flight to Knoxville:
http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0604/00218HIL5L.PDF I see some unfamiliar graphics on this chart, namely the dotted lines in both the profile and plan views, and the candy-striping at the top and bottom of the page. I perused the legend at http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/frntmatter.pdf but don't see any description or explanation of these graphic elements. The procedure is named "HI-ILS...". What is that? High altitude? High speed? I notice that there are published transitions starting at 13000 feet, and also that there are minima listed for approach category E, whereas most approaches seem to show only categories ABCD. A PDF search of the AIM at http://www.faa.gov/ATPubs/AIM/AIM.pdf for the string "HI-ILS" produced no hits. A google search of rec.aviation.ifr produced some hits, including the information that a HI-ILS approach is a military procedure, and noting that "...the approaches in question are not published in the civil US Terminal Procedures Publications". I guess that's now changed. So if these approaches are now published in the civil publications, shouldn't the graphics be described in the corresponding legend publication? Anyway, what is the significance of the candy stripes and the dotted lines? For reference, there is also a corresponding ILS approach to the same runway: http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0604/00218IL5L.PDF Might I ever fly a HI-ILS approach in my Mooney? Dave |
#2
|
|||
|
|||
peculiar approach chart
Dave Butler wrote:
I stumbled on this chart while preparing for an upcoming flight to Knoxville: This type of approach and chart was just published for my home airport of Syracuse, NY, too: http://www.myairplane.com/databases/.../00411HI28.PDF Interestingly, JeppView (electronic chart delivery) does not include these charts for SYR. -- Peter |
#3
|
|||
|
|||
peculiar approach chart
"Peter R." wrote in message
... Dave Butler wrote: I stumbled on this chart while preparing for an upcoming flight to Knoxville: This type of approach and chart was just published for my home airport of Syracuse, NY, too: http://www.myairplane.com/databases/.../00411HI28.PDF Interestingly, JeppView (electronic chart delivery) does not include these charts for SYR. -- Peter I've seen several of those to military bases in an old alaska TP book I have... with segments of the approach at FL200, etc.. hehe! -- Mike Teague - Vancouver WA, USA -- Opie and Anthony - XM Satellite Radio - http://www.opieandanthony.com -- Phil Hendrie = Radio Genius - http://www.philhendrieshow.com |
#4
|
|||
|
|||
peculiar approach chart
On 05/04/06 08:45, Dave Butler wrote:
I stumbled on this chart while preparing for an upcoming flight to Knoxville: http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0604/00218HIL5L.PDF I see some unfamiliar graphics on this chart, namely the dotted lines in both the profile and plan views, and the candy-striping at the top and bottom of the page. I perused the legend at http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/frntmatter.pdf but don't see any description or explanation of these graphic elements. The procedure is named "HI-ILS...". What is that? High altitude? High speed? I notice that there are published transitions starting at 13000 feet, and also that there are minima listed for approach category E, whereas most approaches seem to show only categories ABCD. A PDF search of the AIM at http://www.faa.gov/ATPubs/AIM/AIM.pdf for the string "HI-ILS" produced no hits. A google search of rec.aviation.ifr produced some hits, including the information that a HI-ILS approach is a military procedure, and noting that "...the approaches in question are not published in the civil US Terminal Procedures Publications". I guess that's now changed. So if these approaches are now published in the civil publications, shouldn't the graphics be described in the corresponding legend publication? Anyway, what is the significance of the candy stripes and the dotted lines? I don't know about the striping, but the dotted lines appear to be showing you that you need to descend to 6000, then to 3000 while on the DME arc. Although, I wonder if there is any other significance to them. For reference, there is also a corresponding ILS approach to the same runway: http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0604/00218IL5L.PDF Might I ever fly a HI-ILS approach in my Mooney? Dave -- Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane Cal Aggie Flying Farmers Sacramento, CA |
#5
|
|||
|
|||
peculiar approach chart
"HI-ILS approaches are designed to transition from the high altitude
enroute structure to the low altitude portion of an ILS/LOC Vortac or Tacan final approach. They are referred to as Jet Penetrations." Gerd |
#6
|
|||
|
|||
peculiar approach chart
Military fighter aircraft don't want to spend time and fuel
at low altitude, these approaches minimize fuel and time . -- James H. Macklin ATP,CFI,A&P -- The people think the Constitution protects their rights; But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome. some support http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties. "gwengler" wrote in message oups.com... | "HI-ILS approaches are designed to transition from the high altitude | enroute structure to the low altitude portion of an ILS/LOC Vortac or | Tacan final approach. They are referred to as Jet Penetrations." | | Gerd | |
#7
|
|||
|
|||
peculiar approach chart
"Hi" procedures are for military aircraft, primarily fighters. NACO
charts them when they are published for a civil airport. Jeppesen does not. Dave Butler wrote: I stumbled on this chart while preparing for an upcoming flight to Knoxville: http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0604/00218HIL5L.PDF I see some unfamiliar graphics on this chart, namely the dotted lines in both the profile and plan views, and the candy-striping at the top and bottom of the page. I perused the legend at http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/frntmatter.pdf but don't see any description or explanation of these graphic elements. The procedure is named "HI-ILS...". What is that? High altitude? High speed? I notice that there are published transitions starting at 13000 feet, and also that there are minima listed for approach category E, whereas most approaches seem to show only categories ABCD. A PDF search of the AIM at http://www.faa.gov/ATPubs/AIM/AIM.pdf for the string "HI-ILS" produced no hits. A google search of rec.aviation.ifr produced some hits, including the information that a HI-ILS approach is a military procedure, and noting that "...the approaches in question are not published in the civil US Terminal Procedures Publications". I guess that's now changed. So if these approaches are now published in the civil publications, shouldn't the graphics be described in the corresponding legend publication? Anyway, what is the significance of the candy stripes and the dotted lines? For reference, there is also a corresponding ILS approach to the same runway: http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0604/00218IL5L.PDF Might I ever fly a HI-ILS approach in my Mooney? Dave |
#8
|
|||
|
|||
peculiar approach chart
"Dave Butler" wrote in message news:1146757297.874015@sj-nntpcache-5... I stumbled on this chart while preparing for an upcoming flight to Knoxville: http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0604/00218HIL5L.PDF I see some unfamiliar graphics on this chart, namely the dotted lines in both the profile and plan views, and the candy-striping at the top and bottom of the page. I perused the legend at http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/frntmatter.pdf but don't see any description or explanation of these graphic elements. The procedure is named "HI-ILS...". What is that? High altitude? High speed? I notice that there are published transitions starting at 13000 feet, and also that there are minima listed for approach category E, whereas most approaches seem to show only categories ABCD. A PDF search of the AIM at http://www.faa.gov/ATPubs/AIM/AIM.pdf for the string "HI-ILS" produced no hits. A google search of rec.aviation.ifr produced some hits, including the information that a HI-ILS approach is a military procedure, and noting that "...the approaches in question are not published in the civil US Terminal Procedures Publications". I guess that's now changed. So if these approaches are now published in the civil publications, shouldn't the graphics be described in the corresponding legend publication? Anyway, what is the significance of the candy stripes and the dotted lines? For reference, there is also a corresponding ILS approach to the same runway: http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0604/00218IL5L.PDF Might I ever fly a HI-ILS approach in my Mooney? Unlikely. These are military approaches, the HI is for high altitude. |
#9
|
|||
|
|||
peculiar approach chart
It says it is an airforce chart, presumably for use at a mixed us airport.
"Dave Butler" wrote in message news:1146757297.874015@sj-nntpcache-5... I stumbled on this chart while preparing for an upcoming flight to Knoxville: http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0604/00218HIL5L.PDF I see some unfamiliar graphics on this chart, namely the dotted lines in both the profile and plan views, and the candy-striping at the top and bottom of the page. I perused the legend at http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/frntmatter.pdf but don't see any description or explanation of these graphic elements. The procedure is named "HI-ILS...". What is that? High altitude? High speed? I notice that there are published transitions starting at 13000 feet, and also that there are minima listed for approach category E, whereas most approaches seem to show only categories ABCD. A PDF search of the AIM at http://www.faa.gov/ATPubs/AIM/AIM.pdf for the string "HI-ILS" produced no hits. A google search of rec.aviation.ifr produced some hits, including the information that a HI-ILS approach is a military procedure, and noting that "...the approaches in question are not published in the civil US Terminal Procedures Publications". I guess that's now changed. So if these approaches are now published in the civil publications, shouldn't the graphics be described in the corresponding legend publication? Anyway, what is the significance of the candy stripes and the dotted lines? For reference, there is also a corresponding ILS approach to the same runway: http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0604/00218IL5L.PDF Might I ever fly a HI-ILS approach in my Mooney? Dave |
#10
|
|||
|
|||
peculiar approach chart
There's a dotted line on page 10 of the legend, in the STAR/DP section,
that is described as a "lost communications track". I wonder if it applies to this chart. |
|
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Air Force One Had to Intercept Some Inadvertent Flyers / How? | Rick Umali | Piloting | 29 | February 15th 06 04:40 AM |
Nearly had my life terminated today | Michelle P | Piloting | 11 | September 3rd 05 02:37 AM |
Wow - heard on the air... (long) | Nathan Young | Piloting | 68 | July 25th 05 06:51 PM |
Canadian holding procedures | Derrick Early | Instrument Flight Rules | 24 | July 22nd 04 04:03 PM |
USAF = US Amphetamine Fools | RT | Military Aviation | 104 | September 25th 03 03:17 PM |