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What do you do in the real world?
So any time a piper cub flies it is an emergency?
This is rec.aviation.ifr So you can fly anywhere you want and atc is supposed to guess where you He didn't say "anywhere you want". are going or magically know whom to keep away from your unknown position? They cancel and stop all flights while you fly wherever you want? Neither guessing nor magic is required. Your position is not unknown. Flights are neither cancelled nor stopped. Does not sound good to me. Get your hearing checked. |
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What do you do in the real world?
Dave Butler wrote:
So any time a piper cub flies it is an emergency? This is rec.aviation.ifr Fair enough. So you can fly anywhere you want and atc is supposed to guess where you He didn't say "anywhere you want". "Radio failure is an emergency. You fly where ever you need to in order to safely get on the ground. That sounds like anywhere you want to me. My point is that how the hell is atc supposed to figure out where you are going to go if you don't follow any procedures? I am not saying that the procedures are perfect, but guess work is not a good idea. Putting in your expected nordo procedure (if it deviates from FARs) int he comments section is a good idea. are going or magically know whom to keep away from your unknown position? They cancel and stop all flights while you fly wherever you want? Neither guessing nor magic is required. Your position is not unknown. Flights are neither cancelled nor stopped. Um, if you are going to make up some route or your own clearance that is not what it says int he FARs, then how is ATC going to "keep other aircraft out of your way?" The answer is - they are going to impose a far greater delay and re-reouting than if the nordo pilot followed the right procedures. Are you saying radar covers all of the CONUS? I didn't know that was the case. Does not sound good to me. Get your hearing checked. I still don't like what I am hearing. There are a lot of advocates for just making stuff up. |
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What do you do in the real world?
Tim wrote:
I still don't like what I am hearing. There are a lot of advocates for just making stuff up. As you wish. Similar discussions on the topic are well documented in the archives. I'm not interested in rehashing it all again. Enjoy. |
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Tim wrote:
Ray Andraka wrote: Radio failure is an emergency. You fly where ever you need to in order to safely get on the ground. ATC will sort it out and keep other aircraft out of your way. So any time a piper cub flies it is an emergency? So you can fly anywhere you want and atc is supposed to guess where you are going or magically know whom to keep away from your unknown position? They cancel and stop all flights while you fly wherever you want? Does not sound good to me. For starters, I won't be in the IFR system, nor will I be IMC in a piper cub. That's a different duck altogether. If I am IFR, I am in the system. ATC would rather have me out of the system as soon as practical rather than spend the next several hours tracking me and anticipating all possible moves on my part, clearing traffic out of the way. Yes, the FARs say fly your flight plan, however, every FAA safety seminar I've been to where this comes up, the FAA and ATC folks unequivocally have said, lost comm in IMC is an emergency, ATC treats it as such whether you declare it or not, and they'd rather have you get out of the system as soon as practical over flying the rest of your flight plan and having to get everyone out of your way. Might be a little different in a non-radar environment, but here in the NE pretty much everything is in radar coverage, so they know where you are, which direction you are flying and your groud speed. |
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