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"Stan Gosnell" wrote in message
... I had an unusual occurrence the other night. I was inbound to KGLS from offshore on a medevac flight, using a Lifeguard callsign. The GLS weather was 1/4 mile, VV001, and I was talking to ZHU. The controller finally figured out where I was, and gave me radar contact about 30 miles south. Generally we get turned over to approach at about 20 miles, but that night we got nothing, other than asking if we had the GLS weather, which we already had. Finally at about 5 miles from the airport I called and gave my position, and inquired about the approach. After some ers, ums, etc, I got "maintain 2000 until established, cleared for the approach". I was surprised, but we started setting up for the full approach instead of the vectors we generally get. I was just looking at the NACO chart for GLS ILS 13 (http://makeashorterlink.com/?I14153A5A). Curiously, there's no exemption from the procedure turn, even for the feeder route from HUB to SWANE. So should you fly from HUB to SWANE, make an uncharted procedure turn outbound, then turn around and come back in? Or is there a chart error? --Gary |
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in
: I was just looking at the NACO chart for GLS ILS 13 (http://makeashorterlink.com/?I14153A5A). Curiously, there's no exemption from the procedure turn, even for the feeder route from HUB to SWANE. So should you fly from HUB to SWANE, make an uncharted procedure turn outbound, then turn around and come back in? Or is there a chart error? We use Jepp charts, and I left mine at work. ISTR a NoPT note coming from HUB, but I couldn't swear to it. In the real world, you don't do a procedure turn because you're always going to get vectors from Houston Approach. We do procedure turns for practice, and sometimes ask for the full procedure when coming from the Gulf, but coming from Hobby you'll *always* be vectored. The GPS approaches have a Radar Required note. -- Regards, Stan |
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Stan Gosnell wrote in
: We use Jepp charts, and I left mine at work. ISTR a NoPT note coming from HUB, but I couldn't swear to it. In the real world, you don't do a procedure turn because you're always going to get vectors from Houston Approach. We do procedure turns for practice, and sometimes ask for the full procedure when coming from the Gulf, but coming from Hobby you'll *always* be vectored. The GPS approaches have a Radar Required note. I called my FO, who's still on hitch, and we discussed the plates. The ILS13 transition has no NoPT notation, but interestingly the VOR 13 does. The IAF for the VOR13 isn't SWANE, but it's very close to it. I have no idea why one requires a procedure turn and the other doesn't. As I said above, you'll always be on vectors anyway, so it's really a moot point. Unless you request the full approach. ;-) -- Regards, Stan |
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Gary Drescher wrote:
I was just looking at the NACO chart for GLS ILS 13 (http://makeashorterlink.com/?I14153A5A). Curiously, there's no exemption from the procedure turn, even for the feeder route from HUB to SWANE. So should you fly from HUB to SWANE, make an uncharted procedure turn outbound, then turn around and come back in? Or is there a chart error? Yes, make the procedure turn unless you're vectored to the final approach course. What do you mean "uncharted"? There's a procedure turn barb on the chart. There's a note "Procedure turn N/A for Cat E", so if you're Cat E you need to have vactors for the final approach course, or use some other approach. Must be some terrain or obstruction within the protected area for Cat E. |
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"Dave Butler" wrote in message
news:1107182845.199592@sj-nntpcache-5... Gary Drescher wrote: I was just looking at the NACO chart for GLS ILS 13 (http://makeashorterlink.com/?I14153A5A). Curiously, there's no exemption from the procedure turn, even for the feeder route from HUB to SWANE. So should you fly from HUB to SWANE, make an uncharted procedure turn outbound, then turn around and come back in? Or is there a chart error? Yes, make the procedure turn unless you're vectored to the final approach course. What do you mean "uncharted"? There's a procedure turn barb on the chart. For the inbound procedure turn, yes. The outbound turn would have to be flown after reaching SWANE inbound. I emailed NACO about this chart, and they replied promptly that the omission of NoPT for the HUB feeder is indeed a chart error, and will be corrected in the next revision. --Gary |
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