Phantom at Fallon

While visiting the flightline at NAS Fallon in early September, I photographed
a Phantom taking off. On examining the photo today, it appears to be an F-4E
from the nose configuration. Also, it's a darker grey than the navy aircraft in
other photos. Does anyone have any thoughts on what this aircraft mey be?

On 11 Nov 2004 18:19:34 GMT, (F9pnthr) wrote:

While visiting the flightline at NAS Fallon in early September, I photographed
a Phantom taking off. On examining the photo today, it appears to be an F-4E
from the nose configuration. Also, it's a darker grey than the navy aircraft in
other photos. Does anyone have any thoughts on what this aircraft mey be?

Good chance it was an F-4F from the German AF training unit at
Holloman AFB.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org

Thanks, Ed. I thought of that, but if so it didn't have the national marking
stripes along the top of the Vertical Stab.
Joe

Jdf4cheval wrote:
Thanks, Ed. I thought of that, but if so it didn't have the national marking
stripes along the top of the Vertical Stab.
Joe
Ours or theirs? Foreign military aircraft based in the U.S. are
required to have U.S. markings.

Our markings, but the Luftwaffe trainers had three thin lines of black, red and
yellow across the top of the vertical stabiliser.

Ours or theirs? Foreign military aircraft based in the U.S. are
required to have U.S. markings.

It would probably be a VX 30 Bloodhound.

They are technically QF4s but several of them are painted all grey with a
low profile wolf painted on the tail

Jake


"F9pnthr" wrote in message
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While visiting the flightline at NAS Fallon in early September, I
photographed
a Phantom taking off. On examining the photo today, it appears to be an
F-4E
from the nose configuration. Also, it's a darker grey than the navy
aircraft in
other photos. Does anyone have any thoughts on what this aircraft mey be?

Chief- Ours or theirs? Foreign military aircraft based in the U.S. are
required to have U.S. markings.
BRBR

Don't think so. I flew in RedFlag with brit and german A/C and they were marked
like normally.
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

On 12 Nov 2004 14:45:19 GMT, (Pechs1) wrote:

Chief- Ours or theirs? Foreign military aircraft based in the U.S. are
required to have U.S. markings.
BRBR

Don't think so. I flew in RedFlag with brit and german A/C and they were marked
like normally.
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

Those at Red Flag would have been national force aircraft here on NATO
TDY. The Tornados and Phantoms down at Holloman have USAF star-and-bar
on the fuselage and HO tail codes. Originally they had the black
Luftwaffe iron cross on the fuselage side, but that was changed.
Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org

I don't think it is a law, but a military policy that foreign aircraft that
are permanently based in the US should wear US markings. I'm not sure if
German traiining units participated in Red Flag, but they normally wear US
markings.

With regards to Germany, at one time, post-war German law prevented
permanent basing of troops abroad. For a number of years, German training
was technically a lease-back program where the US "leased" German planes
flown by German pilots in training.

At least in the post-war period, there were some sensibilities to be
respected. Many veterans would not have been comfortable with planes
wearing the Iron Cross flying overhead.





"Pechs1" wrote in message
...
Chief- Ours or theirs? Foreign military aircraft based in the U.S. are
required to have U.S. markings.
BRBR

Don't think so. I flew in RedFlag with brit and german A/C and they were
marked
like normally.
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye
Phlyer

Don't think so. I flew in RedFlag with brit and german A/C and they were
marked
like normally.

That's because they were not based in the US. The F-4F that the Germans have
for training in Holloman fly with US markings.
_____________
José Herculano