New Transponder Code (1202) for Gliders (Effective Feb 9, 2012)

I just noticed this posted on the SSA homepage ... strangely quietly I
might add ...

New Transponder Code (1202) for Gliders

SSA has received information of a new transponder code for gliders.
Gliders not in contact with an ATC facility should squawk 1202 in lieu
of 1200. This proposed change will be effective February 9, 2012.

Posted: 5/20/2011

On May 23, 2:06*pm, CLewis95 wrote:
I just noticed this posted on the SSA homepage ... strangely quietly I
might add ...

New Transponder Code (1202) for Gliders

SSA has received information of a new transponder code for gliders.
Gliders not in contact with an ATC facility should squawk 1202 in lieu
of 1200. This proposed change will be effective February 9, 2012.

Posted: 5/20/2011

So what happened to 1201? Inflation?

Mike

On May 23, 5:06*pm, CLewis95 wrote:
I just noticed this posted on the SSA homepage ... strangely quietly I
might add ...

New Transponder Code (1202) for Gliders

SSA has received information of a new transponder code for gliders.
Gliders not in contact with an ATC facility should squawk 1202 in lieu
of 1200. This proposed change will be effective February 9, 2012.

Posted: 5/20/2011

The FAA Joint Order that describes transponder code allocations has
1201 for gliders not in touch with ATC.
What happened to that!!! We've been working all winter to get our
local TRACON to recognize 1201and now it changes??
WTFO!!

T

1201, 1202, 0440...
It would be interesting to see a map of the country that displayed
where these codes have been accepted.
Jim

On May 23, 5:56*pm, JS wrote:
1201, 1202, 0440...
* It would be interesting to see a map of the country that displayed
where these codes have been accepted.
Jim

We use 0400 in Tucson.

Mike

On May 23, 7:06*pm, Mike the Strike wrote:
On May 23, 5:56*pm, JS wrote:

1201, 1202, 0440...
* It would be interesting to see a map of the country that displayed
where these codes have been accepted.
Jim

We use 0400 in Tucson.

Mike

1201 in the Denver area. We have an LOA with the local ARTCC

JO 7110.66D is the current iteration of FAA orders on transponder
codes which was sent out to all air traffic facilities - that is when
the folks at the puzzle palace can remember to send them out (which is
what did not happen when the above mentioned order was originally
generated.)
Those towers and centers which did not already have a letter of
agreement with local glider operators in place were more often than
not confused when asked by local glider pilots about the change in
beacon codes specifically for gliders because they had not yet
received their copy of JO 7110.66D or they had not read it and gotten
the information out to the controllers at the radar positions.
IF, and that's a big IF, the folks at Independence Ave. do their job
correctly, ATC facilities will continue to adhere to the current order
(JO 7110.66D) until such time as it is up dated with JO 7110.66E.
So, let's not muddy the waters by getting out information to the
unwashed masses (read glider pilots) about changes in squawk codes
until such time as the Feds say the order has been changed.
I hope that doesn't make too much sense.


Bill Hill

On May 23, 11:56*pm, zulu wrote:
JO 7110.66D is the current iteration of FAA orders on transponder
codes which was sent out to all air traffic facilities - *that is when
the folks at the puzzle palace can remember to send them out (which is
what did not happen when the above mentioned order was originally
generated.)
Those towers and centers which did not already have a letter of
agreement with local glider operators in place were more often than
not confused when asked by local glider pilots about the change in
beacon codes specifically for gliders because they had not yet
received their copy of JO 7110.66D or they had not read it and gotten
the information out to the controllers at the radar positions.
IF, and that's a big IF, the folks at Independence Ave. do their job
correctly, ATC facilities will continue to adhere to the current order
(JO 7110.66D) until such time as it is up dated with JO 7110.66E.
So, let's not muddy the waters by getting out information to the
unwashed masses (read glider pilots) about changes in squawk codes
until such time as the Feds say the order has been changed.
I hope that doesn't make too much sense.

Bill Hill

My point exactly, JO 7110.66D has been published since Nov 2009 and
they have not gotten the word out.
So based on SSA reporting an effective date of Feb 2012, that would be
the publication date of Ver E?
And it's right after the SSA Convention in Reno NV?

My thanks to our SSA leadership for pushing this through. Knowing it
was going to change from 1201 to 1202 would have been nice to know for
those working with the local TRACONs to get something for this soaring
season, which SSA suggested we do.

Trust me, when you are working with the FAA, the waters are already
muddy, it's not the unwashed masses of glider pilots. (former ATC'r)

T

One issue that hasn't been discussed much is what happens when a
glider flies cross-country between different TRACON jurisdictions. We
have three possibilities in Arizona - 0400 (Tucson) 1200 (Phoenix) and
1201 (New Mexico and some other surrounding locations). I have flown
in all three with my home 0400 code and no-one appears to have
noticed.

I suspect if you chose any random 4-digit number, no-one would notice
either.

It's definitely time for some uniformity, at least if anyone is
watching!

Mike

On May 24, 9:44*am, Mike the Strike wrote:
One issue that hasn't been discussed much is what happens when a
glider flies cross-country between different TRACON jurisdictions. *We
have three possibilities in Arizona - 0400 (Tucson) 1200 (Phoenix) and
1201 (New Mexico and some other surrounding locations). *I have flown
in all three with my home 0400 code and no-one appears to have
noticed.

I suspect if you chose any random 4-digit number, no-one would notice
either.

It's definitely time for some uniformity, at least if anyone is
watching!

Mike

Do they not notice because you are not talking to them to find out?
Hence the reason for a national code.

04xx series codes are for TRACONs to use locally with no impact to the
national system.
Picking a random 4 digit code, you might pick the same code assigned
to IFR traffic in the local area and his tracking data block could get
attached to your radar plot and that would not be good for the other
aircraft or ATC.

Joshua Approach, Edwards AFB and China Lake NAS, had problems with the
0440 codes flying south from Reno into their airspace and to Joshua,
0440 meant something else.

T