Rogue IFR

I ran into an old client today and we stumbled on to the flying topic.
Turns out he got his PP a couple years ago and bought a plane.

He said with a completely straight face that he's thinking of getting an
instrument rating because he "flies in IMC a lot." He does OK but would
like to be able to ask ATC where the other planes are and fly into towered
airports.

Yikes! What are they teaching student pilots these days? I've asked here
before and seem to find myself asking myself that question a lot. You can'
t teach common sense but the legality of what he's doing didn't even seem to
be on his radar screen.

What does ATC do when they see a 1200 target boring through what they know
is solid IMC?

--
Roger Long

Yikes is right! That's about as bad as when one student I was giving a BFR
to related to me that he knows another pilot uses his name a lot as "Safety
Pilot" to stay current!! I about choked and told him that he should put an
end to that before the guys widowed wife's lawyer called him someday saying
how he noticed his name in the other pilots log book a lot.
--
Jim Burns III

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"Roger Long" om wrote in
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I ran into an old client today and we stumbled on to the flying topic.
Turns out he got his PP a couple years ago and bought a plane.

He said with a completely straight face that he's thinking of getting an
instrument rating because he "flies in IMC a lot." He does OK but would
like to be able to ask ATC where the other planes are and fly into towered
airports.

Yikes! What are they teaching student pilots these days? I've asked here
before and seem to find myself asking myself that question a lot. You
can'
t teach common sense but the legality of what he's doing didn't even seem
to
be on his radar screen.

What does ATC do when they see a 1200 target boring through what they know
is solid IMC?

--
Roger Long

On 2003-10-23 13:51:48 -0700, (null) said:

What does ATC do when they see a 1200 target boring through what they know
is solid IMC?

They say something like this: "Bugsmasher 225 Heavy, traffic 12 o'clock, 5 miles, opposite direction, mode C indicates 3,500, type unknown."

"Roger Long" om writes:

What does ATC do when they see a 1200 target boring through what
they know is solid IMC?

They probably thank god that he turned on his mode C, at least.


All the best,


David

Roger Long wrote:

What does ATC do when they see a 1200 target boring through what they know
is solid IMC?

How would they know, really? I think it's the other way around. I think
ATC sees a 1200 target, and they go, "look, VMC over there."

What's scarier than solid IMC is the case where visibility is perhaps around
two miles, and the IFR pilot is head down flying gauges like a good IFR
pilot, and the VFR pilot is tooling around optimistically claiming that he
can see three miles and change.

Of course most midairs happen in fine VFR weather...

"Roger Long" om wrote in
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What does ATC do when they see a 1200 target boring through what they know
is solid IMC?


How would ATC know a 1200 target is in solid IMC?

Some days in this part of the world, it's pretty obvious.

It occurs to me that this guy would never have been doing this if the GPS
hadn't been invented. He just watches the gauges and follows the little
pointer until he see the airport.

I wonder if we'll be seeing more of this?

--
Roger Long


How would ATC know a 1200 target is in solid IMC?

And,

not having to talk to ATC or worry about those pesky IFR procedures probably
reduces his workload enough that he'll live to be able to do this for a
couple more years.

--
Roger Long

"Roger Long" om wrote in
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Some days in this part of the world, it's pretty obvious.


That doesn't answer the question. How would it be obvious?

C'mon - if it's solid deck from 300' up to 5000' and he's at 1200', it is
pretty obvious. Maybe not legally enforcable, but obvious.

MIchael

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"Roger Long" om wrote
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Some days in this part of the world, it's pretty obvious.


That doesn't answer the question. How would it be obvious?