resorcinol = Carpenter's glue

Resorcinol is the recommended adhesive for wooden aircraft?
To what degree is carpenters glue the same thing?

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Resorcinol is the recommended adhesive for wooden aircraft?
To what degree is carpenters glue the same thing?

Others are more experienced, but I read that carpenters glue is to never be
used on aircraft. I think the problem is that it dries too brittle.
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Jim in NC

On 11 Jun 2005 17:58:50 -0700, "
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Resorcinol is the recommended adhesive for wooden aircraft?
To what degree is carpenters glue the same thing?

To about the same extent that staples are rivets.

Ron Wanttaja

From what I hear carpenters glue does not go well with moisture, and weakens
under humid conditions. I have found that T-88 makes one heck of a bond,
it's a two part epoxy. How well it holds up after years of flying, I don't
know yet ..have not gotten there yet But there are several Volksplanes
flying that have been made with it and are doing great.
As Mr Morgans pointed out..brittleness. It seems from what I have read
on that subject it really plays a role in any kind of a gap between parts.
The glue just shears right at the joint. I am a pretty good woodworker , but
I don't know if every single joint would be as perfect as needed in order to
offset the brittle shear effect. Wouldn't advise anyone else try it either.

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech

The difference is life and death!

The biggest problem that I see with this discussion group is the smart
ass answers that are given to people with good questions. Listen to
Dixon, I've been a carpenter for 25 years and although I will glue
just about anything with carpenters glue, I would never expect it to
sustain life.
Lou

"W P Dixon" wrote in message ...
From what I hear carpenters glue does not go well with moisture, and weakens under humid conditions. I have found that
T-88 makes one heck of a bond, it's a two part epoxy. How well it holds up after years of flying, I don't know yet
..have not gotten there yet But there are several Volksplanes flying that have been made with it and are doing
great.
As Mr Morgans pointed out..brittleness. It seems from what I have read on that subject it really plays a role in
any kind of a gap between parts. The glue just shears right at the joint. I am a pretty good woodworker , but I don't
know if every single joint would be as perfect as needed in order to offset the brittle shear effect. Wouldn't advise
anyone else try it either.

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech

I just read the other day that T-88, being an epoxy adhesive, will soften with heat. The recommendation was to be sure
the final paint job was mostly white to keep the temperatures inside the structure below 140° F....

"The biggest problem that I see with this discussion group is the smart ass
answers that are given to people with good questions."

A number of aircraft have failed due to improper glue, causing death to the
pilot. Considering using carpenter's glue for an aircraft structure
indicates such a lack of basic understanding that I question whether the
constructor should be building an aircraft at all. And, with such a lack of
understanding of basic materials the questioner should not be reliant on the
question is answered.

What if 10 people responded and said carpenters glue is fine? What if no
one responded.

The first few responses were not blunt, nor did they convey the message that
to use carpenter's glue was akin to Icarius making his wings out of wax. I
always appreciated when my teachers were blunt about a stupid question.

The fact was that the question indicated the questioner was considering
sustaining life with carpenter's glue.

Colin

I suppose I should have been more politically correct and made a response
such as:

Although it is possible to use carpenter glue for aircraft, it is not
recommended. The odds of the wings falling off during flight increase, and
if the wings fall off during flight, the prospect of death increases. It is
also possible to use a glue made from flour and water, but that is not
recommended for the same reason.

If you use a glue such as resorcinol, you will have the confidence that the
wings are less likely to disassemble while in flight.

It is recommended that you follow the plans of the aircraft designer and not
make the spars out of lumber purchased at the local lumber discount store.

Have a nice day.

On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 13:26:49 GMT, "COLIN LAMB"
wrote:

"The biggest problem that I see with this discussion group is the smart ass
answers that are given to people with good questions."

A number of aircraft have failed due to improper glue, causing death to the
pilot. Considering using carpenter's glue for an aircraft structure
indicates such a lack of basic understanding that I question whether the
constructor should be building an aircraft at all. And, with such a lack of
understanding of basic materials the questioner should not be reliant on the
question is answered.

What if 10 people responded and said carpenters glue is fine? What if no
one responded.

The first few responses were not blunt, nor did they convey the message that
to use carpenter's glue was akin to Icarius making his wings out of wax. I
always appreciated when my teachers were blunt about a stupid question.

The fact was that the question indicated the questioner was considering
sustaining life with carpenter's glue.

Colin

I've got an all-wood plane, that was built with the Hughes FPL 19
epoxy glue, ivented at the Forest Products Labratory. It was probably
one of the first Epoxy glues used by the homebuilt crowd. Before,
glues like Weldwood were the standard. My plane also has some T-88
used in a few places. The answer is to read some of the great books
available from the EAA on wood construction and glues, before ever
starting construction on a wooden plane. And if building with plans,
you can't go wrong with building with whatever the designer
recommends, if that glue is still available. Some glues, like
Aerolite, I hear are dissappearing.