Radio Procedure - Runway ID

Not particularly germane to this discussion, but KIYK is a non-tower
airport. I was up doing bumps and rounds, AKA touch-n-goes yesterday, and
was dutifully calling out my various positions as any good airman in the
pattern should do.

Now, I was calling the runway as 02, like in "....33Xray, turning left base,
runway Zero-Two, Inyokern." Over the radio comes a voice to admonish me
that, "...there is no zero in front of the two." Never wanting to rankle a
fellow pilot, I dropped the zero -- well, most of the time, anyway.
Thirty-year-old habits are hard to break.

Does it matter? Is there a protocol for this?

"...there is no zero in front of the two."

Does it matter?

Visually, 02 and 20 can be confused, especially as they are opposite
ends of the same piece of pavement and you may be seeing one of them
upside down, so having a single digit is a nice cue.

Aurally I think "runway six" is clearer than "runway zero six" and uses
less radio time. I suppose "runway two garble" is ambiguous while
"runway zero two garble" isn't, but "runway garble two" isn't much
better, so that's a wash for me.

Jose
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I use an airport that has RWY 7 and I call zero-seven all the time. What
does it matter?


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Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI


Casey Wilson wrote:
Not particularly germane to this discussion, but KIYK is a non-tower
airport. I was up doing bumps and rounds, AKA touch-n-goes yesterday, and
was dutifully calling out my various positions as any good airman in the
pattern should do.

Now, I was calling the runway as 02, like in "....33Xray, turning left base,
runway Zero-Two, Inyokern." Over the radio comes a voice to admonish me
that, "...there is no zero in front of the two." Never wanting to rankle a
fellow pilot, I dropped the zero -- well, most of the time, anyway.
Thirty-year-old habits are hard to break.

Does it matter? Is there a protocol for this?

Ross Richardson wrote:
I use an airport that has RWY 7 and I call zero-seven all the time. What
does it matter?

It doesn't. It's like saying "any traffic in the area please advise."
Serves no purpose but doesn't hurt anything.

"Casey Wilson" N2310D @ gmail.com wrote in message
news:83T3f.22$oy3.18@trnddc04...

Not particularly germane to this discussion, but KIYK is a non-tower
airport. I was up doing bumps and rounds, AKA touch-n-goes yesterday, and
was dutifully calling out my various positions as any good airman in the
pattern should do.

Now, I was calling the runway as 02, like in "....33Xray, turning left
base, runway Zero-Two, Inyokern." Over the radio comes a voice to admonish
me that, "...there is no zero in front of the two." Never wanting to
rankle a fellow pilot, I dropped the zero -- well, most of the time,
anyway. Thirty-year-old habits are hard to break.

Does it matter? Is there a protocol for this?

He's right, there is no leading zero, but most pilots probably feel it's not
worth correcting when they hear it.

? Does it matter? Is there a protocol for this?

He's right, there is no leading zero, but most pilots probably feel it's not
worth correcting when they hear it.

Interesting. Both Mary and I were trained to ALWAYS use the leading
zero. Runway 7 is ALWAYS called runway 07.

For a runway like "3" it might make sense to use the leading zero,
simply to avoid confusion with runway "30" -- but for higher numbers I
guess it's dumb, now that I think about it.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Ah...but this is just another example of an instructor pushing his/her own
ideas as gospel. "My instructor told me to..." is not justification for
anything. Heard it too many times on checkrides.

Bob Gardner

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
oups.com...
? Does it matter? Is there a protocol for this?

He's right, there is no leading zero, but most pilots probably feel it's
not
worth correcting when they hear it.

Interesting. Both Mary and I were trained to ALWAYS use the leading
zero. Runway 7 is ALWAYS called runway 07.

For a runway like "3" it might make sense to use the leading zero,
simply to avoid confusion with runway "30" -- but for higher numbers I
guess it's dumb, now that I think about it.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

In most cases, the leading zero probably doesn't hurt except to take
more airtime.

At your runway, however, "zero two" could easily be confused with "two
zero," which as you know is the opposite end of the same runway. Most
listeners will understand where you are and where you're going, but
watch out for that student pilot on his solo cross country who's about
to join the downwind for a right-hand runway 20 pattern!

"My instructor told me to..." is not justification for
anything.

Well, in all fairness, what =should= we trust instructors for?

Jose
--
Money: what you need when you run out of brains.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Who knows, somebody might reply. Usually not.

"Newps" wrote in message
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It doesn't. It's like saying "any traffic in the area please advise."
Serves no purpose but doesn't hurt anything.