Circle to Land @ KRBG

At our home field, KRBG, Roseburg, Oregon, we use left traffic for both ends
of our RWY 34-16. The approach procedures cite "Circling east of the rwy
34-16 centerline not authorized". What do I do when I break out, and have
to "circle west of the centerline for RWY 16", while VFR traffic is flying
the normal left traffic(east of centerline) for RWY16?

Al

On 04/12/06 13:31, Al wrote:
At our home field, KRBG, Roseburg, Oregon, we use left traffic for both ends
of our RWY 34-16. The approach procedures cite "Circling east of the rwy
34-16 centerline not authorized". What do I do when I break out, and have
to "circle west of the centerline for RWY 16", while VFR traffic is flying
the normal left traffic(east of centerline) for RWY16?

Al



That is interesting. At a typical airport, the circling minimums are below
the TPA altitude, so you probably would not be circling in IFR conditions
while VFR aircraft are flying within the traffic pattern.

However, in looking at the information for your airport, the TPA is 1500 MSL
(971 AGL) while the circling minimum (for category A) is 2600 MSL (1740 MSL if
you use DME) - which is higher than the TPA.

I can understand why the circling minimums might be higher than the normal TPA
(they need to provide 1000' of obstacle clearance out to a defined radius,
etc.) but don't know what the answer is in this case.

I can see why they don't let you circle east: There's a tower sitting at
1873 MSL, which must not be in the way for the standard VFR pattern.

I will be very interested to see what others have to say about this.


--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

Al wrote:
At our home field, KRBG, Roseburg, Oregon, we use left traffic for both ends
of our RWY 34-16. The approach procedures cite "Circling east of the rwy
34-16 centerline not authorized". What do I do when I break out, and have
to "circle west of the centerline for RWY 16", while VFR traffic is flying
the normal left traffic(east of centerline) for RWY16?

I don't claim to be an expert on this subject, but what the heck this is usenet.

I'd say the statement on the chart about circling east not authorized, which is
regulatory, trumps the VFR traffic pattern, which is AFAIK not regulatory, but a
matter of custom established by the airport management.

That's my analysis, what's urinalysis?

Dave

"Dave Butler" wrote in message
news:1144875293.509478@sj-nntpcache-5...
I'd say the statement on the chart about circling east not authorized,
which is regulatory, trumps the VFR traffic pattern, which is AFAIK not
regulatory, but a matter of custom established by the airport management.

FAR 91.126b "Direction of turns: When approaching to land at an airport
without an operating control tower in Class G airspace-(1) Each pilot of an
airplane must make all turns of that airplane to the left unless the airport
displays approved light signals or visual markings indicating that turns
should be made to the right, in which case the pilot must make all turns to
the right."

The same requirement is imposed (except when ATC says otherwise) for Class
E, D, C, and B by 91.127, 91.129, 91.130, and 91.131.

--Gary

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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FAR 91.126b "Direction of turns: When approaching to land at an airport
without an operating control tower in Class G airspace-(1) Each pilot of
an airplane must make all turns of that airplane to the left unless the
airport displays approved light signals or visual markings indicating that
turns should be made to the right, in which case the pilot must make all
turns to the right."

The same requirement is imposed (except when ATC says otherwise) for Class
E, D, C, and B by 91.127, 91.129, 91.130, and 91.131.


The exception is just "unless otherwise authorized or required".

There are no instrument approaches in Class G



"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
...
| "Dave Butler" wrote in message
| news:1144875293.509478@sj-nntpcache-5...
| I'd say the statement on the chart about circling east
not authorized,
| which is regulatory, trumps the VFR traffic pattern,
which is AFAIK not
| regulatory, but a matter of custom established by the
airport management.
|
| FAR 91.126b "Direction of turns: When approaching to land
at an airport
| without an operating control tower in Class G airspace-(1)
Each pilot of an
| airplane must make all turns of that airplane to the left
unless the airport
| displays approved light signals or visual markings
indicating that turns
| should be made to the right, in which case the pilot must
make all turns to
| the right."
|
| The same requirement is imposed (except when ATC says
otherwise) for Class
| E, D, C, and B by 91.127, 91.129, 91.130, and 91.131.
|
| --Gary
|
|

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
news:q4j%f.3072$8q.974@dukeread08...

There are no instrument approaches in Class G


There are many instrument approaches in Class G airspace.

Instrument approaches are published for Class B,C,D and E
airspace. An instrument approach requires controlled
airspace and traffic separation. Class G is uncontrolled
and although there may be a Class G airport, the instrument
approach is conducted in the Class E over laid above the
Class G.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
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| "Jim Macklin" wrote
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| news:q4j%f.3072$8q.974@dukeread08...
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| There are no instrument approaches in Class G
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| There are many instrument approaches in Class G airspace.
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"Al" wrote in message
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At our home field, KRBG, Roseburg, Oregon, we use left traffic for both
ends of our RWY 34-16. The approach procedures cite "Circling east of the
rwy 34-16 centerline not authorized". What do I do when I break out, and
have to "circle west of the centerline for RWY 16", while VFR traffic is
flying the normal left traffic(east of centerline) for RWY16?


See and avoid them.

IFR circling minimums are based on aircraft speed grouping,
A-E, the radius of turn sets the area that must be surveyed
and protected and the highest obstacles in the sector
determine the MDA. If you're at MDA with IMC you can't see
and avoid obstacles, but there should be no VFR traffic
either.

IFR circling requires that you keep the runway in sight,
other than during turns or an occasional cloud. Exactly how
you circle is totally up to the PIC, you can think of a
teardrop or a full pattern, what ever keeps you at the MDA
and gets you to the runway.

If you're practicing in VMC, then you should break off the
approach and join a normal pattern. It is also a good idea
to be as well lighted as possible and use any available ATC
resource. This applies to any airport, not just the KRBG
airport.



--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties.


"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
message
news |
| "Al" wrote in message
| ...
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| At our home field, KRBG, Roseburg, Oregon, we use left
traffic for both
| ends of our RWY 34-16. The approach procedures cite
"Circling east of the
| rwy 34-16 centerline not authorized". What do I do when
I break out, and
| have to "circle west of the centerline for RWY 16",
while VFR traffic is
| flying the normal left traffic(east of centerline) for
RWY16?
|
|
| See and avoid them.
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|