IAP without inbound course?

Y'All,
Received this email for which I have come to the group for an answer.

Dear Gene,
I was recently on an instrument checkride for the Military, and the
instructor asked me a bonus question: "can you have a IAP with no published
inbound course." I couldn't think of any scenarios, maybe you could? The
checkride ended up getting weathered out so he couldn't tell me how I did on
the ground phase or the answer.

Thanks
Mike Petruska

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Y'All,
Received this email for which I have come to the group for an answer.

Dear Gene,
I was recently on an instrument checkride for the Military, and the
instructor asked me a bonus question: "can you have a IAP with no published
inbound course." I couldn't think of any scenarios, maybe you could? The
checkride ended up getting weathered out so he couldn't tell me how I did on
the ground phase or the answer.

Thanks
Mike Petruska


No.

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Y'All,
Received this email for which I have come to the group for an answer.

Dear Gene,
I was recently on an instrument checkride for the Military, and the
instructor asked me a bonus question: "can you have a IAP with no published
inbound course." I couldn't think of any scenarios, maybe you could? The
checkride ended up getting weathered out so he couldn't tell me how I did on
the ground phase or the answer.

Thanks
Mike Petruska


Well, I think it is a trick question.

An ASR or PAR (GCA in military speak) has no charted inbound (final
approach) course. But, it has a published course ala the controller's
video map, which is a legal course for FAA radar approach procedures.

Well, how about the final being a dme arc, which we all know is an IAP
that exitst. In which case, the "inbound course" to the MAP is
constantly changing. Don't have my pubs with me, but I don't see how
it could have a "published" course in this instance
Stan

On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:33:49 -0700, wrote:

Y'All,
Received this email for which I have come to the group for an answer.

Dear Gene,
I was recently on an instrument checkride for the Military, and the
instructor asked me a bonus question: "can you have a IAP with no published
inbound course." I couldn't think of any scenarios, maybe you could? The
checkride ended up getting weathered out so he couldn't tell me how I did on
the ground phase or the answer.

Thanks
Mike Petruska

With the exception of one or two that arc to the runway, all arcs terminate
at a final approach course. The arc itself is an intermediate segment.

Bob Gardner

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Well, how about the final being a dme arc, which we all know is an IAP
that exitst. In which case, the "inbound course" to the MAP is
constantly changing. Don't have my pubs with me, but I don't see how
it could have a "published" course in this instance
Stan

On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:33:49 -0700, wrote:

Y'All,
Received this email for which I have come to the group for an answer.

Dear Gene,
I was recently on an instrument checkride for the Military, and the
instructor asked me a bonus question: "can you have a IAP with no
published
inbound course." I couldn't think of any scenarios, maybe you could? The
checkride ended up getting weathered out so he couldn't tell me how I did
on
the ground phase or the answer.

Thanks
Mike Petruska

The arc itself is an intermediate segment.

Given that arcs begin with an INITIAL Approach Fix, that would make
them initial segments.

Greg Esres wrote:
The arc itself is an intermediate segment.

Given that arcs begin with an INITIAL Approach Fix, that would make
them initial segments.

I think what Bob was trying to say is that the ARC final approach
segment criteria are identical to ARC intermediate segment criteria;
thus, there isn't really any ARC final approach segment criteria.

The initial, intermediate, and final all are the same width
2-4-centerline-4-2. The required obstacle clearance (ROC) for the
initial is 1,000 feet, for the intermediate and final it is 500 feet.
500 feet is TERPS standard intermediate segment ROC.

Standard ROC for "real" final approach segments is either 250, 300, or 350.

"Sam Spade" wrote in message
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Greg Esres wrote:
The arc itself is an intermediate segment.

Given that arcs begin with an INITIAL Approach Fix, that would make
them initial segments.

I think what Bob was trying to say is that the ARC final approach segment
criteria are identical to ARC intermediate segment criteria; thus, there
isn't really any ARC final approach segment criteria.

The initial, intermediate, and final all are the same width
2-4-centerline-4-2. The required obstacle clearance (ROC) for the initial
is 1,000 feet, for the intermediate and final it is 500 feet. 500 feet is
TERPS standard intermediate segment ROC.

Standard ROC for "real" final approach segments is either 250, 300, or
350.

RoD?

wrote:
Well, how about the final being a dme arc, which we all know is an IAP
that exitst. In which case, the "inbound course" to the MAP is
constantly changing. Don't have my pubs with me, but I don't see how
it could have a "published" course in this instance
Stan

There is only one of those beasts in existence. If that what the "drill
instructor" was looking for, then it was an exercise in silliness.

And, to be highly technical, the ARC IAP "final" does not meet any of
the characteristics of a true final approach segment, for it has full en
route ARC width, and intermediate segment obstacle clearance.

Sam Spade wrote:
There is only one of those beasts in existence. If that what the "drill
instructor" was looking for, then it was an exercise in silliness.

And that makes in inappropriate for this newsgroup how?