timing holds

Roy Smith wrote:
What does it mean when they say you start timing the outbound leg of
a hold
"over or abeam the VOR, whichever occurs later". I'm having a hard
time
envisioning a flight path which takes you both over and abeam the
VOR. I
can see either, but not both, so I don't understand the "whichever
occurs
later" bit.
--

(11 years later)

Uhhh, this ever get answered?

I'm studying Gleim's and I don't get it!

tia,
a.

wrote in news:1107572455.287980.321620
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

Uhhh, this ever get answered?

I'm studying Gleim's and I don't get it!

The only way you could be both abeam and over the VOR is if you blew
there in a very strong wind, or you made too much turn. It says, 'abeam
or over', not 'abeam and over'. Don't obsess over details that don't
matter anyway. The only time I would time a hold is on a checkride. In
the real world, the GPS tells you where you are with much more precision
than a clock, and all ATC cares about is that you stay within your
airspace.

--
Regards,

Stan

Don't obsess ...

Stan,

Thank you. Great advice. Just to make clear, I only started obsessing
on this last night, not eleven years ago ;-)

a.


Stan Gosnell wrote:
wrote in news:1107572455.287980.321620
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

Uhhh, this ever get answered?

I'm studying Gleim's and I don't get it!

The only way you could be both abeam and over the VOR is if you blew
there in a very strong wind, or you made too much turn. It says,
'abeam
or over', not 'abeam and over'. Don't obsess over details that don't

matter anyway. The only time I would time a hold is on a checkride.
In
the real world, the GPS tells you where you are with much more
precision
than a clock, and all ATC cares about is that you stay within your
airspace.

--
Regards,

Stan

Why would anyone time a hold in this day and age?



"Stan Gosnell" wrote in message
...
wrote in news:1107572455.287980.321620
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

Uhhh, this ever get answered?

I'm studying Gleim's and I don't get it!

The only way you could be both abeam and over the VOR is if you blew
there in a very strong wind, or you made too much turn. It says, 'abeam
or over', not 'abeam and over'. Don't obsess over details that don't
matter anyway. The only time I would time a hold is on a checkride. In
the real world, the GPS tells you where you are with much more precision
than a clock, and all ATC cares about is that you stay within your
airspace.

--
Regards,

Stan

"arthur mcallister" wrote in news:CbrQd.218052
:

Why would anyone time a hold in this day and age?

For checkride purposes. That's the only reason I can think of. For my
ATP ride, I had to time the hold and make the inbound leg one minute. In
the real world, I would never bother.

--
Regards,

Stan

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." B. Franklin

Why would anyone time a hold in this day and age?

To make sure that it remains part of your habits. One day you'll fly an
airplane without GPS, or the box will go TU, or for any number of
reasons you won't be able to rely on it. Stay in practice and you'll be ok.

Jose

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:21:32 GMT, Jose
wrote:

Why would anyone time a hold in this day and age?

To make sure that it remains part of your habits. One day you'll fly an
airplane without GPS, or the box will go TU, or for any number of
reasons you won't be able to rely on it. Stay in practice and you'll be ok.

Jose

I have to practice starting a stopwatch?

I have to practice starting a stopwatch?

No, one should practice =remembering= to start a stopwatch.

Jose

"arthur mcallister" wrote in message
...
Why would anyone time a hold in this day and age?


June 14, 1998

Pelican's Perch #5:
Don't Time That ILS Approach!

http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182042-1.html


"...if you start a NON-precision approach (including a LOC-only) and fail to
start the timer (or note the time), it's a major boo-boo. Your only recourse
is to immediately go missed and start it over. If you perform an approach
where timing is required, and you do not time it, it's a good bust on a
checkride, for that is compounding an error with stupidity."

--
Matt
---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

wrote:

Roy Smith wrote:

What does it mean when they say you start timing the outbound leg of

a hold

"over or abeam the VOR, whichever occurs later". I'm having a hard

time

envisioning a flight path which takes you both over and abeam the

VOR. I

can see either, but not both, so I don't understand the "whichever

occurs

later" bit.

You enter the hold by flying over the VOR outbound. Subsequent circuits
you would time abeam the VOR. You need to time both the initial
outbound leg as well as the rest.


Matt