Visual STARs

If a STAR is marked VISUAL (FUBAR VISUAL APPROACH), and shows
hand-drawn paths and landmarks instead of navaids, does that mean it's
intended specifically for VFR, or for both VFR and IFR, or what? I'm
a bit confused by it because I thought all STARs were instrument
approaches. At the same time, I've heard ATC clear commercial flights
for the XYZ VISUAL approach, which implies that as long as conditions
permit a visual approach, it's okay for IFR, even though it gives only
landmarks on the ground.

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You need to learn the difference between VFR and VMC while flying IFR.

Viperdoc writes:

You need to learn the difference between VFR and VMC while flying IFR.

I guess I won't learn it from you.

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Mxsmanic wrote:

Viperdoc writes:


You need to learn the difference between VFR and VMC while flying IFR.


I guess I won't learn it from you.


Most of us here learned it by attending ground school, reading pertinent
aviation traning and reference publications and last, but not least,
taking flying lessons from an FAA certified flight instructor. We also
listen to him with an open mind and deferred to his statements of
instruction rather than being a smart-ass and telling him to "prove it."

All of these phases of becoming a pilot require a good atitude,
preparation, and the ability to spend money to compensate the experts
for their education/training and time spend preparing to teach us, as
well as their actual time training us.

Maybe you can get a scholarship.

Sam Spade writes:

Most of us here learned it by attending ground school, reading pertinent
aviation traning and reference publications and last, but not least,
taking flying lessons from an FAA certified flight instructor. We also
listen to him with an open mind and deferred to his statements of
instruction rather than being a smart-ass and telling him to "prove it."

I guess I won't learn it from you, either. I hope someone can provide
some kind of useful answer.

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Mxsmanic wrote:
If a STAR is marked VISUAL (FUBAR VISUAL APPROACH),

That's not a STAR, it's a charted visual approach.

and shows hand-drawn paths

They are hardly hand drawn.

does that mean it's
intended specifically for VFR, or for both VFR and IFR, or what?

It's got nothing whatsoever to do with VFR. It's a visual IFR
procedure. Do you know what a visual approach is? No you don't
because despite the fact that it will cost you nothing and has been
recommended multiple times, you refuse to bother to do anything
remotely behaving like a real pilot and read the Aeronautical
Information Manual. You'd rather be a leach on society.

I'm
a bit confused by it because I thought all STARs were instrument
approaches.

You're confused in more wayys than this.

At the same time, I've heard ATC clear commercial flights
for the XYZ VISUAL approach, which implies that as long as conditions
permit a visual approach, it's okay for IFR, even though it gives only
landmarks on the ground.

Go look up Visual Approach in the AIM. It explains it fully, what
it's for, when it may be issued.

Ron Natalie writes:

That's not a STAR, it's a charted visual approach.

Sorry, it was under the IAPs on AirNav, not the STARs.

They are hardly hand drawn.

They are obviously hand-drawn. See the three visual approaches for
KPHX. It looks like Illustrator.

It's got nothing whatsoever to do with VFR. It's a visual IFR
procedure.

OK.

Go look up Visual Approach in the AIM. It explains it fully, what
it's for, when it may be issued.

I'll look into it.

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Mxsmanic wrote:

If a STAR is marked VISUAL (FUBAR VISUAL APPROACH), and shows
hand-drawn paths and landmarks instead of navaids, does that mean it's
intended specifically for VFR, or for both VFR and IFR, or what? I'm
a bit confused by it because I thought all STARs were instrument
approaches. At the same time, I've heard ATC clear commercial flights
for the XYZ VISUAL approach, which implies that as long as conditions
permit a visual approach, it's okay for IFR, even though it gives only
landmarks on the ground.


You are such a cocky baster that just does not know **** about this stuff.

I'd be happy to send $1 towards actual flying lessons for you provided
at least 500 folks here match me.

On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:24:02 -0800, Sam Spade
wrote:

I'd be happy to send $1 towards actual flying lessons for you provided
at least 500 folks here match me.

If he took the time he spent on simulators and the internet and
instead applied it to gainful employment he could afford his own
flight lessons. I'll pass on matching.

Rick

Ricky Robbins wrote:

On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:24:02 -0800, Sam Spade
wrote:


I'd be happy to send $1 towards actual flying lessons for you provided
at least 500 folks here match me.


If he took the time he spent on simulators and the internet and
instead applied it to gainful employment he could afford his own
flight lessons. I'll pass on matching.

Rick

I guess my charity will never get off the ground then, so to speak.