Radar contact before squawk

"David Brooks" wrote in message
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It's probably a good thing Bud Turner is no longer (a) at KNUW (b)
apparently online. He might have felt it his duty to go stop a practice
that
seems to work fine :-)


It'll work fine until the day an aircraft calls that isn't being painted and
there's one that is being painted but hasn't called. There's a reason it
isn't proper radar identification.

In article et, "Steven P.
McNicoll" writes:

It'll work fine until the day an aircraft calls that isn't being painted and
there's one that is being painted but hasn't called. There's a reason it
isn't proper radar identification.


It is my memory that about 30 years ago a number (like 25) people were drowned
in Lake Erie by this type mistake. The photo plane was in the right position
over land and the jump plane was over the lake (above cloud cover). Radar
advisory confused the two and told the jump plane he was in position. Don't
know, didn't they have transponders then?

Chuck

In article ,
(PaulaJay1) wrote:

In article et, "Steven P.
McNicoll" writes:

It'll work fine until the day an aircraft calls that isn't being painted and
there's one that is being painted but hasn't called. There's a reason it
isn't proper radar identification.


It is my memory that about 30 years ago a number (like 25) people were drowned
in Lake Erie by this type mistake. The photo plane was in the right position
over land and the jump plane was over the lake (above cloud cover). Radar
advisory confused the two and told the jump plane he was in position. Don't
know, didn't they have transponders then?

Chuck

Are you trying to tell me that a jump plane released jumpers out of
sight of land and with no navigation other than a radar controller
telling them where they were???

Also, 105.17*says, "No person may conduct a parachute operation [...]
(a) Into or through a cloud". Was that regulation (or something
similar) not in effect at that time?

"Roy Smith" wrote in message =
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In article ,
(PaulaJay1) wrote:
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It is my memory that about 30 years ago a number (like 25) people =
were drowned
in Lake Erie by this type mistake. The photo plane was in the right =
position
over land and the jump plane was over the lake (above cloud cover). =
Radar
advisory confused the two and told the jump plane he was in =
position. Don't
know, didn't they have transponders then?
=20
Chuck
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Are you trying to tell me that a jump plane released jumpers out of=20
sight of land and with no navigation other than a radar controller=20
telling them where they were???
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Also, 105.17 says, "No person may conduct a parachute operation [...]=20
(a) Into or through a cloud". Was that regulation (or something=20
similar) not in effect at that time?

I'm fairly sure that was one of several incidents which triggered that =
regulation.
---JRC---

Roy Smith wrote
Are you trying to tell me that a jump plane released jumpers out of
sight of land and with no navigation other than a radar controller
telling them where they were???

Yes, that is exactly what happened. That particular incident is quite
famous in the history of skydiving. In fact, back when I instructed,
that was the incident that we used to underscore the importance of not
exiting the airplane if you can't see the ground. The sport has since
changed, and exiting without seeing the ground is once again
relatively common (if not generally legal) - but now it's done with
GPS guidance. Eventually some pilot will incorrectly program or
interpret the GPS and this will happen again.

Also, 105.17*says, "No person may conduct a parachute operation [...]
(a) Into or through a cloud". Was that regulation (or something
similar) not in effect at that time?

That regulation is quite commonly broken even today, though this may
have been prior to the existence of Part 105.

Michael

"PaulaJay1" wrote in message
...

It is my memory that about 30 years ago a number (like 25) people
were drowned in Lake Erie by this type mistake. The photo plane
was in the right position over land and the jump plane was over the
lake (above cloud cover). Radar advisory confused the two and
told the jump plane he was in position. Don't know, didn't they
have transponders then?


They existed then, but they were less common.