Right of Way in the pattern?

Is this true in Canada as well as the USA?

Chris


Jim Macklin wrote:
Left traffic is standard, seems you were in the wrong
pattern at an uncontrolled airport.



"Kingfish" wrote in message
ups.com...
| Had this happen on Sunday up in Ontario. We were flying
into Muskoka (a
| non-towered field) in the Pilatus and were "cleared" in by
Canadian
| FSS. (We were IFR but in good VMC wx) We enter on the
right downwind to
| Rwy 18 and hear another acft on freq - apparently he's NE
of the field
| entering on the left base. We figure we're quite a bit
faster than the
| 172 and should reach final first. Turns out we're both on
opposite
| bases at the same altitude at which point my partner says
we're lower
| and faster and we procede to turn final. Well, the guy in
the 172 gets
| a bug up his ass and is whining to FSS that he had to take
"evasive
| action" to avoid us - not even close - and makes some
comment about
| calling the RCMP (like they actually have jurisdiction
here?). I know
| the rule about the acft on final having right of way, but
neither of us
| had reached that point yet, and both acft were at the same
altitude on
| opposite bases. Who had the ROW?
|

"Kingfish" wrote in message
ups.com...
| Had this happen on Sunday up in Ontario. We were flying
into Muskoka (a
| non-towered field) in the Pilatus and were "cleared" in by
Canadian
| FSS. (We were IFR but in good VMC wx) We enter on the
right downwind to
| Rwy 18 and hear another acft on freq - apparently he's NE
of the field
| entering on the left base. We figure we're quite a bit
faster than the
| 172 and should reach final first. Turns out we're both on
opposite
| bases at the same altitude at which point my partner says
we're lower
| and faster and we procede to turn final. Well, the guy in
the 172 gets
| a bug up his ass and is whining to FSS that he had to take
"evasive
| action" to avoid us - not even close - and makes some
comment about
| calling the RCMP (like they actually have jurisdiction
here?). I know
| the rule about the acft on final having right of way, but
neither of us
| had reached that point yet, and both acft were at the same
altitude on
| opposite bases. Who had the ROW?
|


Jim Macklin wrote:
Left traffic is standard, seems you were in the wrong
pattern at an uncontrolled airport.



"Chris G." wrote in news:44db7e1f$0$17980$892e7fe2
@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net:

Is this true in Canada as well as the USA?

Chris



I'm sure we will get a canadian pilot or 2 that can tell us, but CYQA IS
on the US Lake Huron chart. If it was right traffic, it would likely
indicate so on the chart just as it would for the nearby US airports for
the benefit of US pilots who may wander that way.

Most public use airports in the US also have a segmented circle
indicating traffic patterns to help keep folks who choose not to do any
research about the airports they are choosing to land at.


Funny think is, even if the OP was correct, they could very well have
been "dead" to rights, and taken another pilot with them.

Now, i'm just a lowly student pilot, but I've been taught to call ~ 10
miles out when approaching an uncontrolled field, announce my intentions
and ask for traffic advisories. If you're not sure of the traffic
pattern, then ask at that point if you can raise anyone. ....

--
-- ET :-)

"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

ET wrote:

Most public use airports in the US also have a segmented circle
indicating traffic patterns to help keep folks who choose not to do any
research about the airports they are choosing to land at.


Funny think is, even if the OP was correct, they could very well have
been "dead" to rights, and taken another pilot with them.

Now, i'm just a lowly student pilot, but I've been taught to call ~ 10
miles out when approaching an uncontrolled field, announce my intentions
and ask for traffic advisories. If you're not sure of the traffic
pattern, then ask at that point if you can raise anyone. ....

Snide comments aside, I realize we were on the wrong side (not my
call). We could have crossed over and joined the left downwind but that
could have put us in conflict with the slower traffic joining the left
base. I suspect my captain's thinking was that the 172 had just called
a 2 mile base - he was much closer - and we had enough of a speed
advantage that we could slot in ahead of him and it wouldn't have been
an issue. As it was we were on with Timmins Radio who had cleared us
for the visual approach - the 172 was also in contact with FSS. In a
similar situation now I would extend the DW and slot in behind the
slower traffic

everyone forgets.. at least in the US,
FSS does separate traffic aka ATC "clearances", they just "relay"

BT

"ET" wrote in message
...

"Kingfish" wrote in message
ups.com...
| Had this happen on Sunday up in Ontario. We were flying
into Muskoka (a
| non-towered field) in the Pilatus and were "cleared" in by
Canadian
| FSS. (We were IFR but in good VMC wx) We enter on the
right downwind to
| Rwy 18 and hear another acft on freq - apparently he's NE
of the field
| entering on the left base. We figure we're quite a bit
faster than the
| 172 and should reach final first. Turns out we're both on
opposite
| bases at the same altitude at which point my partner says
we're lower
| and faster and we procede to turn final. Well, the guy in
the 172 gets
| a bug up his ass and is whining to FSS that he had to take
"evasive
| action" to avoid us - not even close - and makes some
comment about
| calling the RCMP (like they actually have jurisdiction
here?). I know
| the rule about the acft on final having right of way, but
neither of us
| had reached that point yet, and both acft were at the same
altitude on
| opposite bases. Who had the ROW?
|


Jim Macklin wrote:
Left traffic is standard, seems you were in the wrong
pattern at an uncontrolled airport.



"Chris G." wrote in news:44db7e1f$0$17980$892e7fe2
@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net:

Is this true in Canada as well as the USA?

Chris



I'm sure we will get a canadian pilot or 2 that can tell us, but CYQA IS
on the US Lake Huron chart. If it was right traffic, it would likely
indicate so on the chart just as it would for the nearby US airports for
the benefit of US pilots who may wander that way.

Most public use airports in the US also have a segmented circle
indicating traffic patterns to help keep folks who choose not to do any
research about the airports they are choosing to land at.


Funny think is, even if the OP was correct, they could very well have
been "dead" to rights, and taken another pilot with them.

Now, i'm just a lowly student pilot, but I've been taught to call ~ 10
miles out when approaching an uncontrolled field, announce my intentions
and ask for traffic advisories. If you're not sure of the traffic
pattern, then ask at that point if you can raise anyone. ....

--
-- ET :-)

"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:CtRCg.23731$6w.22593@fed1read11...

everyone forgets.. at least in the US,
FSS does separate traffic aka ATC "clearances", they just "relay"


You're contradicting yourself.

everyone forgets.. at least in the US,
FSS does separate traffic aka ATC "clearances", they just "relay"



You're contradicting yourself.


I think it's a typo - I think he meant "FSS doesn't separate..." That
would be the job of ATC, for certain traffic.

Jose
--
The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Jose is correct.. the "not" got edited somehow
B

"Jose" wrote in message
t...
everyone forgets.. at least in the US,
FSS does separate traffic aka ATC "clearances", they just "relay"



You're contradicting yourself.
I think it's a typo - I think he meant "FSS doesn't separate..." That
would be the job of ATC, for certain traffic.

Jose
--
The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

"Jose" wrote in message
t...

I think it's a typo - I think he meant "FSS doesn't separate..." That
would be the job of ATC, for certain traffic.


Agreed.